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>> my mission is simple, to make you money. i'm here to level the playing field for all investtors. there's always a bull market somewhere. i promise to help you find it. mad money starts now. hey i'm cramer. welcome to mad money. welcome to cramerica. other people want to make friends. i'm trying to make you some money. my job is not just to entertain but to teach and coach you. call me 1-800-743-cnbc. top callers are finally calling out in full force. last week we had a plethora of
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articles about how the twitter deal signaled the end of the bull run. today, dow up. nasdaq advanced .01%. we saw the quintessential top calling piece on the front page of the wall street journal this morning. stocks regain appeal. investors return to stocks which could be bad. bad. put aside for a moment the hilarity of the could be bad sub head. bad for what? for individuals? the bulls, bear, eagles, country? for now let's focus on what i call the time honoredness of the could be bad exercise. first, it is true. market had a 24% advance this year. stock market has been a good place to put your money since the bottom in march of 2009. second, individual investors are
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definitely more interested in stocks. as the article points out, $76 billion put in stocks versus the dollars pulled out. i'm not oblivious to the steaming hot nature of twitter. as i said last all week, everyone has the right to overpay as long as they accept consequences including the responsibility something could go wrong. twitter could turn out like facebook, highly overrated stock. became inexpensive and became tremendous earning power as the company got its act together. facebook at 46. the pricing of the ipo looks less crazy. morgan stanley said today this group should be taken down to a whole fourth. polls way too optimistic. too many bulls. there are four other times we've
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come into november up 24% and we finished the year higher. sure i'd like to see fewer bulls. a few weeks of stories how president barack obama and congress hate each other. we'll get that soon. that will do the trick. talks of some sort begin, they'll fail. as we've seen over and over since the year of gridlock in 2011, you've got a calm right now. the averages advance and become giddy. then there's a storm when the two parties in washington can't agree, start calling everybody names and try to agree what's best for the country. we pull back again until there's a bogus can kicking resolution. it's called government. sorry, wall street journal, we will not buy into the notion it's somehow bad now that the
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public started in investing in stocks again, putting back about one sixth of what they pulled out in 2012. it's not bad. to rely on figures is cliche. when you take away inflation you think some money has to come from stocks. it's no coincidence that this coincides with the roll over of hundreds of billions of cds done at five years ago. it's a scenario. these top calling stories pack a great great deal more punch when they're backed up by actual evidence that the merchandise other than a red hot ipo or two is historically expensive. i wouldn't regard the s&p 500 trading as expensive. think about the earnings period we just went through. think about it for a second. i said a vast majority of
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companies i follow reported numbers to raise your forecast. if you adjusted for wildcards you see the stocks are cheaper than the multiple would suggest. true. last year the market multiple was lower, but for a good reason. last year we were in the throes of fiscal cliff debate. the washington sequester sandwich over the horizon. don't we have to justify this? there are plenty of companies coming public in real sectors of overvaluation especially biotech. whenever we chastise people for being enthusiastic, we always have to come back to the four horse men of big pharma who are up. trying to find someone that looks like winners makes sense on a day bio tech gets a take over bid on top of the santarus we caught bid friday.
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as far as the bubble in bonds, what do you expect? the fed created a world to advance higher. if you change the tax code, they'd start hiring to bring the money back from overseas. that would involve compromise in washington. forget about it. that's not allowed. there can be no compromise. what's the other objections? do you want banks of highly indebted ipo. let's deal with the heart of the matter. why it may still be early in the migration keeping money in stupid hardly safe low yielding instruments to put it in risk adjusted assets. how many professionals have you actually heard saying come on in? this is the real deal. this market is for real. how many pros have actually professed love for stocks and begged people to invest? i don't know of any.
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warren buffett has done that although he's backed off as of late. let's stipulate he's not trying to time the market. most money managers i listened to have had one foot out the door the whole time. they've lived in fear of what the fed will do. they have been terrified of washington and tepid about stocks to say the least. they have faith in our president to do the wrong thing. they have forever fretted about a european or chinese collapse. the professionals have been bulls at best. they found real conviction, that would have me worried. i believe there will be squalls. only to be resolved in a positive session and reaffirmed today. last week we had another end of the world scare that took our breath and money away. this ridiculous idea that because regular investors are
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stirring after they've been leaving stocks in droves for years is somehow bad. that joins the litany of everything else that we've heard is bad for stocks, even as we seem to climb the wall of worry. here's the bottom line. i could read the stories and say that's it. i've been positive since 2009. i'm out. i'm done. there are areas i want to avoid. to pull out everything now because individual investors are back even as they're barely in town, i say it's very disingenuous and downright demeaning to the individual investor. i say for now if you care about actually trying to make money, stocks remain the only game in town. i need to go to steve in missouri. >> caller: booyah jim from st. louis, the home of the 11 time world champion cardinals but sadly not this year. >> yeah. well, you know, okay.
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that happens. >> caller: long time listener. bought your books, subscribe to action alerts. appreciate it all. >> thank you. >> caller: you mentioned ndls for home gamers in the past, went down sharply after earnings. what do you think of it now? >> i've done a lot of work on noodles to see if this was top. 15% of business was related to flood related activity in colorado. thank you ted graham coming up with that figure for me. my take away is do not despair. noodles will be back. danielle in kansas. >> caller: want to give a quick shout out to my family in missouri. >> definitely. >> caller: my question, what do you think about discount retailers this holiday season and in particular ross stores. >> i was kicking myself. ross stores trading 78.50. i said to myself, how did i let that get away? how many times can you pound the table on one stock?
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i can't pound the table enough on ross stores. nick in georgia. >> caller: jim, how are you? >> good. i just moved to georgia now for retirement. >> i love georgia. just love it. it is beautiful. all parts. what's up? >> caller: american depository stock. i bought it at $10. rode it up to $22. i held onto it. the company went out and then sold some of their own stock and dropped the stock to $16.50 which i thought was a good buying opportunity. the stock pops every time they sell a system to a hospital. what do you think the stock is going? >> this is an iraeli company i do not follow closely. my friend herb greenberg who
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writes for the street told me be careful. i don't know about mazor robotics. are there places to avoid? yes. are there opportunities? yes. is the individual coming back to the market? i hope so. i'll be with them and you every step of the way. mad money will be right back. coming up, flying high. defense contractor has risen 50% this year. will filling the need of soldiers and first responders around the world help it climb higher? cramer sits down with the ceo on this veterans day to find out. and later, name your own price. a more than 5000% increase has made price line one of the top performers in wall street. what makes it a hot ticket? should you take a trip. plus hunger games. less than fresh report whole
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foods put the stock on sale and fuelled concerns the healthy eating trend has gone stale. cramer's checking the aisles with the ceo of white wave foods coming up on mad money. don't miss a second of mad money. follow @jimcramer on twitter. send jim a tweet or call 1-800-743-cnbc. miss something? head to mad money.cnbc.com. ♪ ♪ so you can have a getaway from what you know.
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given this is veterans day, it's worth pondering the most unexpected bull market. the raging bull market in the the defense contractors can continue into the new year. take a smaller air and space defense. xls. you may know it as itt excel. they got rid of the itt name in 2011. this company makes highly secure
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communications systems, radar, night vision goggles. information technology business, they do advanced networks and air traffic control for faa. when everyone was fretting about the pending fiscal cliff, we spoke to the ceo and he told us everything would be all right. sure enough, he was right. over the defense budget cuts, about the to get real next year, can the stock keep roaring? the company is expanding overseas, moving to new markets, cutting the soft blow of the spending here in the united states. the headlines are in line. those are a lot to like under the hood. over $7 billion in valuations. they've got more business than they can handle. stock had a solid 2.6% yield. let's check in with the ceo, a retired lieutenant general in the army where he dealt with all
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sorts of high level budget issues. good to see you. no longer itt. just excelis. you're out on your own. >> we are on our own two years on our own. time to drop the legacy name. >> before we get to your company, i saw you ring the bell today. i wanted to say. my dad asked me, what's changed now that veterans are so hallowed in the country versus when my father would say in the '70s, does anyone know serving was good? >> this has been a volunteer service since the '70s now. that's taken hold in the fabric of america is volunteering to go serve the nation and go fight where needed. then the fact our nation is honoring them when they come back is terrific. >> why do you think there's higher unemployment among vets? >> some people haven't caught on
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to great talents and capabilities men and women get when they serve the country. we're a 10% investment company. i think it's the right thing to do. >> i bring it up because i think it's awareness. people say all the good companies are hiring vets. maybe there's something to it. >> there is something to it. i'm a great a advocate for hiring veterans. no company will be disappointed if they do. >> one that has confounded our viewers is when you hear all this talk about sequester, defense stocks hit new highs. yours is one of them. how have you adjusted to the world that excelis still makes a lot of money? >> we've worked on cost structure, our footprint, reducing head count in relation to volume changes coming through our factories. we can't control the top line. we can work on the bottom line. many have been returning value
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to shareholders through buy backs and dividends and things of that nature. >> you've been able to expand the other countries and have a good commercial business. >> we do. about 10% of revenues are international. we're trying to grow that year in and year out. we see great opportunities in night vision, radios and networking capabilities and space. we never used to sell those internationally. because of rules changing, we can sell imagery in weather. >> one of the things i saw you add the ied contract. are they not going to continue to build that business up since we're drawing down soldiers? that would seem to be something we need to spend more time on given how we weren't prepared before. >> our company and a lot of others built a lot of jamming capability to protect servicemen and women. that is still in the field, it's been upgraded once or twice to accommodate new ways of
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introducing that threat. for the most part i think it's in technology development going forward. there isn't the same imminent threat once we draw down in afghanistan that we saw in iraq and afghanistan. >> what about the vacuum waste tank systems for a variety boeing commercial air craft? >> you bet. for us, the commercial air structure composite is the biggest part of our commercial business. secular trends for airline manufactures is nothing but up. we've been a supplier for boeing corporation. while not glamorous we have more and more for part numbers for military and boeing general air crafts. >> the army is going to get a bad hit, worse than everybody. >> i think where that comes from is that the army has the biggest end strength issue, the largest
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force structure that has to draw down over time to protect investment accounts. the real challenge is that we can't do it that fast and bring those numbers down without failing to modernize the force going forward. that's the army challenge. army is a big customer of ours. we stay close to them to accommodate their needs going forward. >> the government cut back, the portion we need to worry about before cutting back troops and other things in the military? >> you have to reduce force structure. people are the most expensive component for the army. maybe 55% of the overall budget. to be able to continue to modernize, you must draw down the people. the threat is, don't go too low. there are challenges on the horizon. we're in the philippines today.
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>> there's a lot of better places to cut if you ask me. see how these companies have gotten to the high. they're smarter than ever and staying that way. stay with us. coming up, name your own price. more than 5,000% increase in the last decade has made price line a top performer on wall street. what makes it a hot ticket and should you take a trip?
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as we head into the end of every year, the best performing stocks tend to rally harder than before. the reason, because they've become anointed as winners by the money management community. that's what they do. all sorts of hedge funds and mutual funds buy them hand over fist, if only so they can show their clients exactly how smart they are by owning high quality stocks when they have to disclose holdings at end of the year. if any stock deserves to be anointed in this environment, it is price line. pcln for you home gamers, think of priceline as the amazon of online travel but better.
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the amazon 620% return. priceline posted truly stunning 1909% return. i think these results make priceline the growth stock to own between here and year end. $1097 price tag, priceline is, listen to this, among the cheapest momentum stocks out there. when you back out billions of dollars in cash on the balance sheet, sells for 19 times estimates despite having 27% long term growth rate. remember my rules of thumb for value stocks. there are money managers willing to pay up to twice a rapidly expanding company's growth rate. priceline means 40%.
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stocks could double on valuation basis. price line is absurdly inexpensive. we don't recommend stocks just because they're undervalued. a lot of stocks seem undervalued and stay that way forever. on the other hand, it's been rallying for years. earnings, revenues and cash flow have been able to keep pace. how does the company pull that off? at the end of the day, priceline is best of breed in the secular growth industry, online travel. better than expedia and orbitz. let me tick down all the ways this is a superior company, with a superior attitude and superior state of mind. not unlike steven seagal in "hard to kill." speaking of hard to kill, do you see how priceline got crushed last week? 40 bucks and quickly rebounding once investors heard the call. finishing up $50 the next day.
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back to the virtues of priceline the company. first off it's riding a rising global tide. people ditch travel agents and use the worldwide web to book their travel. the online travel space has more room to growth versus 20% orbitz. priceline has huge european exposure. the vast majority of priceline come from hotel bookings. the global industry is extremely fragmented. the airline industry is consolidating rapidly. orbitz is merely 50% hotels. priceline was the first in the industry to adopt an agency business model. they act as broker between hotel and customer and take a cut of the transaction when someone books a room. this is a much safer way to do
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business than the merchant model, where you buy inventory up front and take on the risk as you get a larger cut if you sell the rooms. if the rooms don't sell, you're left holding the bag. 80% of priceline bookings come from the agency model. priceline has become the king of mobile travel reservations thanks to its acquisition of kayak. people don't understand how powerful this is. think of kayak as the online travel aggregator. witness facebook and how much it was able to move. this is a beloved brand growing like a weed. referrals from kayak helped drive accelerating growth in the quarter. that's how priceline puts up such fabulous results. priceline earned $17.30 a share
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for the quarter. 22% year over year increase. revenues came in higher than expected, rising 33.1%. gross bookings were up 31.99%. over the last three years the company generated $1.3 billion in free cash flow. you want to know why it's giving triple over amazon in five years? the company is like amazon except it throws off terrific profits and terrific amounts of cash top. enough cash to possibly expand the billion dollar buy back. what other large capitalization is producing numbers like these? >> biotechs. the only ones are biotechs. they're at the mercy of fda. the seemingly disappointing guidance that initially caused the stock to plummet in after
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hours trading. why do people do this? priceline is renowned for giving conservative guidance. over the last seven quarters, the company has beaten the midpoint of forecast by 786 basis points. forecasts don't count. price line now has the new ceo jeffrey boyd. miracle worker, steps back from the ceo job but remains the chairman. priceline has the right successor. darren houston takes over january 1st. he's the guy behind booking.com. that's the priceline crown jewel. here's the bottom line. don't be freaked out by the price tag. this is incredibly well run, anointed growth stock downright cheap on the growth basis. you can play with the common stock. the best way is most conservative, deep in the money call options. control more upside while capping your downside. dawn in california. >> caller: first of all, thank
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you for taking my call and the education you give to all of us home gamers. >> thank you dawn. doing my best here. >> caller: hey my question is about alliance data systems. i think they're a good company because they're a product of the future. they have good forward guidance. they have low debt. they have a soft buyback. i want to know your opinion. >> it's a behind the scenes behemoth. i love it. i wish i had talked about it more. a very high dollar stock but an inexpensive growth stock. you've got a winner, dawn. let's go to jeff in california. >> caller: booyah, jim. i'm from the marine corps. what do you think? >> nothing special. doesn't have that yield or big growth. i prefer to be in federal realty if i have to in that kind of thing. >> peter in florida. >> peter in florida. >> caller: greetings from sunny florida. >> jealous.
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>> i want to know what you think about travel centers of america. >> this is a great fuel and hospitality business. it's getting its due. i really like ta. price line flying high. too high? don't let the price tag scare you. deep in the money call is a good option if you're short on cash to buy the big dollar stock. it's not expensive, just big dollar. stay with us.
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it is time for the lightning round on cramer's "mad money". play to this sound and then the
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lightning round is over. are you ready? time for the lightning round. kelly in new york. >> caller: hey jim. booyah from brooklyn, wondering about amd making the graphic cards for new consoles coming out. >> you and i are from brooklyn and not recommending the right stock. consoles coming and you've got to blow that out. this is a one trick pony. jane in massachusetts. >> caller: yeah, hi. first time caller but a very long time fan. >> thank you. >> caller: my stock has gone progressively lower from 139 to 121 today. has j&j troubles brought the blockbuster pc down? >> i think that wonder drug is going to get right through the fda. 50/50. i like j&j. i reiterate, buy. let's go to phillip in michigan.
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>> caller: hi jim. thank you. you're good for america. my stock is sky works solutions. >> here's the problem. today's cirrus, a very good company, they got designed out of an ipad air. everyone is panicking. i feel sky works is still a trader. let's go to john in florida. >> caller: hi. john in dunedin, florida. >> good to have you again. what's up? >> i'd like to know if it's a good time to get back in on arena pharmaceutical? >> no, john. we've got to go blue chip. that one isn't even a red chip. nikita in washington. >> caller: hey jim. booyah to you. lng. i know we've got a while before those train whistles blow, but how we looking at the station?
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>> i've been pushing cnqu because i like the dividend action. once again, who has made us money? the answer is cqn. i like the cheniere master limited partnership more. i've got to tell you, as far as i'm concerned, if sharif will come back on, that will be terrific to see it. that's an invitation to you at your 52 week high. let's go to jr in new york. >> caller: cramer. >> yo. >> wind stream? >> no, you're reaching for yield. i don't trust it. starting to feel a little like century link. i say no. nick in california. >> caller: thank you for all you do. i own 500 shares of ubiquity network.
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>> this may be the hottest stock. someone accused me of backing away from it. i said come on man. john in oregon. >> caller: big band booya to you. >> i'm an oregon duck. sorry. >> caller: i want to know columbia bank long term. >> that i like long term. growth area, good franchise. you've got a winner there. chris in pennsylvania. >> caller: hey jim. i've got a stock here for you been up over 50% this year with improving cash flow, doing debt reduction. lowest tax rate in the sector and a possible ipo in 2014 for a spin off of the company. what do you think of weatherford international? >> not as bad as it used to be.
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that's all you're going to get in that group. schlumberger, transocean, carl did that deal. i cannot bless that. nathaniel in virginia. >> caller: great big booya. how you doing today? >> allen iverson boohay. >> i invested in apple. it feels like a soap opera. >> i agree. they could buy netflix or twitter. instead it gets no respect. this has become the rodney dangerfield of stocks. it deserves more respect and it doesn't need to go back to school. that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of the lightning round. >> the lightning round is sponsored by td ameritrade.
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the the second hunger games movie comes out next week. instead of doing the arena style death match, we're paying
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tribute to the franchise by talking about hunger gains. stocks like white wave foods, wwav, milk, coffee creamer, soy and almond milk based products, plant based, spun off from dean foods a year ago. the healthy eating category took a hit when whole foods delivered a not great quarter. we don't need to worry. the company reported last thursday, 1% earnings, 18% basis. 11.1%, double digit year over year. their operating margins expanded nicely. 60 basis points and i think it will go up more. plus, plant based beverage, soy and almond milk down 14%. who else is doing that kind of number in europe? since we last spoke to the ceo back in august, up 25% since it came public in october 2012,
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hitting a new high today. can they keep up momentum? the chairman and ceo of white wave foods. welcome back to mad money. >> great to see you, too. >> this is growing at a pace of almost nothing i've ever seen in my life. why? >> it's a monster. look, there are a number of factors conspiring to make silk. it is an alternative to dairy. people are looking for healthier alternatives. dairy is a gigantic category. $25 billion in sales. there's a lot of room to grow. the almond in particular is hitting that segment of the population looking for great nutrition and lower calories. almond is a fantastic low calorie alternative. >> you have a new one that's one-third the calories? >> lighter than light. it's a fantastic product, great
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satisfaction, performs incredibly well in the cereal bowl and beverage occasion. great satisfaction in the market. >> your company has the ability, because of these plant based products, to have expanded margins for multiple years i have to believe. >> i think so. we're getting growth in products that have mid-40s gross margins. >> versus what's regular milk? >> regular milk would be in the low 20s, maybe high teens. terrific economic profile on these products. we're also a pretty new company. we're leveraging our corporate cost structure and operating cost structure through additional sales volumes. sales volume 10% during the last period. that starts to flow through to the bottom line as we continue to grow. >> you had a big farm you sold? >> the farm that we are in the process of selling, we haven't sold it yet, was the original significant organic milk dairy in the united states.
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it provides about 5% of our milk. we've moved this category really to being a branded consumer products category. it's not our expertise anymore. we're going to redeploy that capital to higher opportunities in the company. >> look at market capitalization and think whether it's big enough for opportunities. this brand is a brand that i trust. if you put horizon, not organic. i stopped trusting organic. a lot of guys are not organic. horizon means organic to me. can't you put horizon on other housekeeping products? >> this is a brand that's well over $600 million in sales. at retail it's gotten incredible trust among families with young children, particularly families that are concerned about how kids are going to eat over their 100 year life span. we think this is a brand we can take outside the traditional milk category. you'll see products show up
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early in the first quarter that are not milk but are all family products for families with kids, family meal eating occasion. it will be organic, better for you, made of great ingredients under the trusted horizon brand. >> meal food. not chocolate bars. >> think meals and snacks for kids. >> you're doing well in europe. europe's nestle's, how are you able to compete? >> we don't sell these products in europe. we sell silk equivalent products. it's the leading dairy alternative product in europe. we have about a 40 share. growing like crazy. really driven by fantastic non dairy yogurt products we're bringing to the united states and the introduction of almond milk. >> throughout the conference
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call, this may be time for m&a. a lot of little guys throughout. 2014 for your company? >> if we find the right thing. what we've told people since we started marketing, we're a certain kind of business. we have five brands. $500 million brands. we run those kinds of businesses well. we're looking for brands in categories that are or can be big, that are maintaining our growth rate. we're a growth company and on trend categories, where we see long term trailing in our back so we continue to grow. >> i tell people, just because whole foods may not have a strong quarter, doesn't mean they are not selling more than ever. they are. ceo of white wave foods company. you know i like them. we'll be right back.
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you can make a fortune if you're not a snob. isn't that the take away from dyne equity, parent of applebees and ihop? here's a company that doubled. you have a buy rating. that's lukewarm. wells fargo queried at the top of the market perform note after the last quarter, unexpected
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same store sales resurgence, anyone? 72 to 82% price market. not a lot of give. it had been 70 to $74. no doubt because the stock soared in just a couple of days after the upside surprise. the firm cites dyne equities debt and lower than average growth keeping the hold recommendation. it could pay down the debt if it wanted to. through social media to boot. while the company reduced debt by a billion over six years, it has a terrific dividend even after this miracle run. goldman sachs is struggling with its view of the chain. goldman noticed the more positive sales increases in the industry and agrees the cash flow is growing quickly enough to allow expensive debt to be paid down. it raised the price target recently because that is too overrun when stocks spiked.
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goldman can't seem to pull the trigger on this one. some reluctance comes from applebee's. the other leg of the story besides ihop. shortfall versus estimates going to be viewed negatively. the whole restaurant had a rough period. dyne equity has done a lot to improve applebees to get a higher ticket from each customer. like all successful restaurant chains, they roll out new concepts to keep the store fresh. what i like best about dyne equity is the business model. 99% franchise. we know it can be a license to print money. you support the chains nationally, rake in fees and save a boatload on labor costs. dyne equity had 32,000 employees five years ago to a few more than 2,000 now.
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that's despite the fact there are over 2000 applebees and ihops. the chain is giving free meals to veterans today and active military. they perhaps don't live the life i have with a couple of kids in the burbs that feasted on applebee's when possible. bottomless pot of coffee. i think it's about the snob factor. i think the snob factor is holding the company back. the market barely dents the size of the opportunity. even after this run, i believe the stock is a buy. analysts will be dragged along kicking and screaming to recommend dyne equity at much higher levels. stick with cramer. huh...fifteen minutes
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veterans and take part in what lieutenant general melcher said. he's the ceo of excelis. it's a different time because this is a volunteer army. we want to thank you for volunteering. i like to say there's always a bull market somewhere, just for you, i'm jim cramer. we'll see you tomorrow. $55 billion just for doctors and hospital bills during the last two months of patients' lives. it's a perfect example of the costs that threatened to bankrupt us and how hard it's going to be to rein them in. >> genes--as a result of them, you've inherited some of your family's finest qualities, along with predispositions to deadly diseases. you probably know that science has made giant leaps in detecting and treating some of those illnesses, but what you probably don't know is that at the same time, biotech companies have b

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